Comments on: Victory For Hamas In Gaza http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/ Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:41:06 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Engineering a coup « The Heathlander http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-94589 Engineering a coup « The Heathlander Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:48:21 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-94589 [...] ‘Victory for Hamas in Gaza‘, The Heathlander [...] [...] ‘Victory for Hamas in Gaza‘, The Heathlander [...]

]]> By: Realising Palestinian rights « The Heathlander http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-94537 Realising Palestinian rights « The Heathlander Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:52:01 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-94537 [...] the conflict between Hamas and Fatah was driven from the start by Israel and the U.S., who sabotaged the National Unity government of February 2007 and armed [...] [...] the conflict between Hamas and Fatah was driven from the start by Israel and the U.S., who sabotaged the National Unity government of February 2007 and armed [...]

]]> By: Mossad is pro-Hamas. Who knew? « The Heathlander http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-94499 Mossad is pro-Hamas. Who knew? « The Heathlander Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:16:35 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-94499 [...] of the conflict - the Conflicts Forum chronology, the International Crisis Group, the IISS, The Heathlander, Alastair Crooke, Nir Rosen, Tony Karon, Ali Abunimah, Jonathan Steele, etc. - recognised that the [...] [...] of the conflict – the Conflicts Forum chronology, the International Crisis Group, the IISS, The Heathlander, Alastair Crooke, Nir Rosen, Tony Karon, Ali Abunimah, Jonathan Steele, etc. – recognised that the [...]

]]> By: A New Hope? « The Heathlander http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-68645 A New Hope? « The Heathlander Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:31:03 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-68645 [...] of the year-long U.S./Israeli strategy of strengthening Abbas at the expense of Hamas. I’ve written about this many times already, so I won’t go over it again. Suffice to say, from the moment [...] [...] of the year-long U.S./Israeli strategy of strengthening Abbas at the expense of Hamas. I’ve written about this many times already, so I won’t go over it again. Suffice to say, from the moment [...]

]]> By: JamieSW http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-47354 JamieSW Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:28:26 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-47354 Thanks, dada. Thanks, dada.

]]> By: dada http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-47297 dada Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:46:27 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-47297 The "pullout of Gaza" may demonstrate to you that "Israel wants peace." To me, disengagement without ending the occupation looked more like a plan for further isolation and fragmentation of Palestine. If you ignore the continued restriction of movement, construction of the wall, destruction of property, arrest of democratically elected politicians without charges or trials, discriminatory laws, illegal settlements, and policies that constitute a military occupation according to the international legal standard definition, then yes, I can see how you would think that the Israeli government "wants peace." And I also understand your concern about a one state solution, NMS. A one state solution is a very scary prospect for those concerned about the "demographic problem." --- Excellent article. Thanks heathlander. The “pullout of Gaza” may demonstrate to you that “Israel wants peace.” To me, disengagement without ending the occupation looked more like a plan for further isolation and fragmentation of Palestine.
If you ignore the continued restriction of movement, construction of the wall, destruction of property, arrest of democratically elected politicians without charges or trials, discriminatory laws, illegal settlements, and policies that constitute a military occupation according to the international legal standard definition, then yes, I can see how you would think that the Israeli government “wants peace.”

And I also understand your concern about a one state solution, NMS. A one state solution is a very scary prospect for those concerned about the “demographic problem.”

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Excellent article. Thanks heathlander.

]]> By: NMS http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-47223 NMS Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:11:59 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-47223 You have got to be kidding me. Hamas is a terrorist group that has engaged in suicide bombings that also wants to impose strict Islamic law. They deserve no benefit of the doubt and cannot be in any way a good thing for the Middle East. That's not to say that I like Fatah either. Fatah is a corrupt party that seeks to and gorge itself at the expense of the Palestinian people. A pox on both their houses. Another point, Israel does want peace. The pullout of Gaza demonstrated that point. Olmert seems quite willing to give the Palestinians a state with the territories of Gaza and the West Bank. On the Palestinian side, I do not see the same willingness. I do not believe that the Palestinians actually want peace with Israel. They want a one state solution, in other words the end of Israel. You have got to be kidding me. Hamas is a terrorist group that has engaged in suicide bombings that also wants to impose strict Islamic law. They deserve no benefit of the doubt and cannot be in any way a good thing for the Middle East. That’s not to say that I like Fatah either. Fatah is a corrupt party that seeks to and gorge itself at the expense of the Palestinian people. A pox on both their houses.

Another point, Israel does want peace. The pullout of Gaza demonstrated that point. Olmert seems quite willing to give the Palestinians a state with the territories of Gaza and the West Bank. On the Palestinian side, I do not see the same willingness. I do not believe that the Palestinians actually want peace with Israel. They want a one state solution, in other words the end of Israel.

]]> By: JamieSW http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-45032 JamieSW Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:09:57 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-45032 Yes, unsurprisingly, Hamas has not adopted a passivist stance whilst under occupation. You're naive for thinking they would, especially since Palestinian tried non-violence for 20 years and all it got them was a network of settlements. Yes, unsurprisingly, Hamas has not adopted a passivist stance whilst under occupation. You’re naive for thinking they would, especially since Palestinian tried non-violence for 20 years and all it got them was a network of settlements.

]]> By: Gavriel http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-45029 Gavriel Sun, 17 Jun 2007 03:09:09 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-45029 "If what we want to see is a relatively stable Palestinian democracy with the capacity to engage in meaningful peace negotiations with Israel (and again I emphasise that these are not the objectives of the Israeli government), the policies we should follow are obvious, as they have been for months. The Hamas government should be recognised as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, and should be engaged with in the form of meaningful final status negotiations." Israel doesn't want peace. But Hamas are to be negotiated with because they want peace? Oh yes, the hudna you spoke of. Yes a lasting truce with people who send pregnant mother's of 8, and children on suicide missions. Excuse me as I LAUGH IN YOUR NAIVE FACE. “If what we want to see is a relatively stable Palestinian democracy with the capacity to engage in meaningful peace negotiations with Israel (and again I emphasise that these are not the objectives of the Israeli government), the policies we should follow are obvious, as they have been for months. The Hamas government should be recognised as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, and should be engaged with in the form of meaningful final status negotiations.”

Israel doesn’t want peace. But Hamas are to be negotiated with because they want peace? Oh yes, the hudna you spoke of. Yes a lasting truce with people who send pregnant mother’s of 8, and children on suicide missions. Excuse me as I LAUGH IN YOUR NAIVE FACE.

]]> By: Fatah Gangsters Seize The West Bank « The Heathlander http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-44944 Fatah Gangsters Seize The West Bank « The Heathlander Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:47:37 +0000 http://heathlander.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/victory-for-hamas-in-gaza/#comment-44944 [...] brief update, pursuant to my previous post, of the situation in the Occupied Palestinian [...] [...] brief update, pursuant to my previous post, of the situation in the Occupied Palestinian [...]

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